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Why Are Authors Stuck on a Pretty Website vs. an Effective Website?

The harsh reality of the internet world is that effectiveness reigns in results. However, too often authors and writers immerse themselves in ineffective online habits that are costing them each day.

With millions of websites being loaded onto the World Wide Web, “pretty” doesn’t help authors or writers capture their targeted audiences. It was reported in June, 2007 on SoftPedia.com, approximately 100,000 websites are added to the internet every day.

Competition on the internet is fierce, and every author must remove any road blocks that may be causing them disparaging results with their websites.
More often than not, authors take time from their writing or creativity to figure out website design by obtaining a free website from the many resources available. While wearing their many hats, authors must wear efficiently the Webmaster hat, which takes time and valuable resources.
When designing or putting a website on the internet, there are key elements required to help marketing a website easier for authors and writers. Even when utilizing the services of a web designer, the author must know what to ask.

Internet marketer Tom Antion teaches his students to ask a web designer one key question: “What plan do you have to work my keywords into the design of this site?”

Mr. Antion states that 99% of web designers don’t know these things–they just know how to make websites look nice.

So many authors have fallen prey to this type of thinking when it comes to their websites. Many have become stuck on a “pretty” website verses an effective website. There are several keys to success when creating a website. Read More

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Hmm.

Well, a pretty website is bound to attract more viewers... and ads should be kept small... like Writer's Beat. Unlike some of WB's rivals, which have huge ads and ugly formatting, WB looks good.
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Pretty is a subjective word. I personally like really clean sites such as WB. Most sites do not fail because of a lack of keywords - although that is important for SERP traffic - but because their navigation is terrible, they are full of ads and flashing bits, and are designed to show off the web designer's skills, not the writer or author.
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SynonymousWords,

A website, yes is to "attract" more
customers, however it's not going
to attract more customers without
keywords, fundamentally layout,
or the effective elements to create
what we all want... The Sell!

It's more important to have effective
elements posted within a website
then to have widgets galore, mixed
font sizes, distracting backgrounds
or video ala grande.

The complete article shares what
keys are valuable to insure the basic
fundamentals of your site is effective!

Thanks for taking the time to read and
respond to the posting.

Continue to make it happen today!

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Well, I guess it's because we authors are more the artsy types. We like to have things looking nice. We leave functional cement and window bars to the mathematicians . I'd personally take a website that looked nice and was easy to get around rather than a website that was loaded with all the best, biggest, most complicated tools out there.

But why couldn't the designers do both? Make a nice looking website with lots of keywords for search engines to eat up. I don't see any reason why the need to attract viewers should take away anything from a website having a nice design.
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Precisely.

Well said, young wolf.
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Originally Posted by Winterbite View Post
But why couldn't the designers do both?
Actually most of us do; the OP isn't actually giving advice, but promoting their own website.

There are a number of criteria when designing an author site that only apply in lesser degrees with most other sites; they have to be attractive, they have to have personality, and they have to reflect the author's work and persona. SEO only actually comes about half-way down the list because author traffic has to be driven, not led. If you sit back and expect google to being you readers, no matter how keyword-heavy your site may be, you'll be sadly disappointed. Search engines will get you so far; authors also need to work hard on site promotion, which is why blogging and social networking are now an important part of the big picture.
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Think about this....

The multi-billion dollar companies have
less bells and whistles on their websites
than the author or the entrepreneur.

It's not about you.... Your website is
about your soon to be customer and
will they be open to buy because they
can easily manuver the site because it's
not overloaded with videos, widgets,
and audio.

It about ensuring that the correct elements
are included in your website to get the your
desired results.

Let's look at the Amazon.com or even a
Walmart.com... It delivers a happy
customer experience. They don't have
videos, widgests, mismatched font
types / sizes and they make it easy
for the visitor to find it and buy it.

What's your desired results you wish to
create from your website?
-- Sales?
-- Likeability?
-- Just a Visitor?
-- Viral/Word of Mouth?
-- High Search Ranking
-- Targeted Web Traffic?

These are the things you may want but
does your website deliver?

So take some time to look at your site and
really answer the question:

What your desired results you wish to
create from your website?

Mike C make some great points as well.

Continue to make it happen!

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Personally I don't like a site that is slammed with ads and cutesy things wiggling around in the corner of my eye when I am trying to read the site content. And these ads that slide into the middle of the screen as if they had something to offer other than a sales pitch get me out of that for good.
Yes Mike C had alot of important points to make. The net is highly competetive and more so everyday. The key is to know your demographic and hit it effectively without overkill.
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Originally Posted by C.F. Jackson View Post
It about ensuring that the correct elements
are included in your website to get the your
desired results.
Of course, that's a prerequisite for any website, but the 'correct elements' for one will be incorrect for another.

Originally Posted by C.F. Jackson View Post
Let's look at the Amazon.com or even a
Walmart.com... It delivers a happy
customer experience. They don't have
videos, widgests, mismatched font
types / sizes and they make it easy
for the visitor to find it and buy it.
I agree insofar as a site should not be overloaded with widgets etc, but the Amazon and Walmart experience are totally different to an author site. A&W are online retailers. If I go into a store, I don't expect fuss and bother, just the quickest route to a product. If I go into an author's living room, I expect to learn something about him/her, read a but of the book, be guided to where I can buy it.

I've yet to meet an author who can hand on heart say they've achieved a significant boost in sales through having a website, but the author site is more about establishing the brand than about retailing, so the look and feel of the site is necessarily different.
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Mike C,

The reference to Walmart & Amazon
is that you don't find widgets galore,
music playing at first page landing or
oversized images their sites.

When it comes to becoming successful
it's about looking at the successful and
on the internet, the major companies
have the understanding that many authors

and entrepreneurs miss quite often:
* Readable site
* Fast loading
* Easy to manuver
* Clearity with content
* How to make the buy
* Security

It's about taking success elements from
whomever is generating results online or
offline, retail or automotive, sports or hair
care... We as authors must open ourselves
to new and clearer ways to improve our
experience online.

However, should having a quaint website
and minute results is okay.... Then that's
the goal.

The principles & foundations of being on the
internet are the same for anyone, and it's time
for authors to learn them so it can help them
reach and achieve greater results.

Continue to have an awesome week!

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Hello and Greeting s C.F. Jackson. I see that you have done quite a bit of looking into this.

You have made some solid points to me and I shall be doing my best to incorporate some of what you have put out into my Blog.

I'll be checking out your site.
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Hey Ungood!

I've been online since 1993 during
the DOS days. If you remember the
film "Jumping Jack Flash" where you
could chat... There's where I started.

I've been seriously learning, studying,
and receiving mentoring on the real
foundation needed online. It came to
me in 2005 when I learned that I
needed more than a book cover, a
book excerpt, and sign up for my
newsletter.

So Ungood, this is something I desire
to help my fellow authors and writers
open themselves to. Should the slow
opening website be an issue to why
visitor leave... then I want to help.

Should you have any questions feel
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Have an awesome week!

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Originally Posted by C.F. Jackson View Post
* Readable site
* Fast loading
* Easy to manuver
* Clearity with content
* How to make the buy
* Security
Those are all givens for any kind of site, of course.

The biggest pitfall that many new writers fall into is free hosting, resulting in their page being polluted with advertising. Second biggest mistake is the animated gif - always horrible, and makes your site look like it was designed in the '80's. Add in clashing colours and poor typography - basically all the mistakes people made when they first started using DTP - and you have a disastrous website.

That's why, as authors become more successful (or take their vocation more seriously) they employ people like me.
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Those are all givens for any kind of site, of course.

The biggest pitfall that many new writers fall into is free hosting, resulting in their page being polluted with advertising. Second biggest mistake is the animated gif - always horrible, and makes your site look like it was designed in the '80's. Add in clashing colours and poor typography - basically all the mistakes people made when they first started using DTP - and you have a disastrous website.

That's why, as authors become more successful (or take their vocation more seriously) they employ people like me.
How handy it must be to be an author and a web-designer, eh, Mike?
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How handy it must be to be an author and a web-designer, eh, Mike?
Kind of. But if I was a better author, I'd be able to pay someone else to design my website. Ho hum.
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post
and you have a disastrous website.

That's why, as authors become more successful (or take their vocation more seriously) they employ people like me.
Actually I thought her site was better then yours.
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post
Those are all givens for any kind of site, of course.

The biggest pitfall that many new writers fall into is free hosting, resulting in their page being polluted with advertising. Second biggest mistake is the animated gif - always horrible, and makes your site look like it was designed in the '80's. Add in clashing colours and poor typography - basically all the mistakes people made when they first started using DTP - and you have a disastrous website.

That's why, as authors become more successful (or take their vocation more seriously) they employ people like me.

Hey Mike C.,

Somethings aren't a given when it comes
to understanding what's needed. So that's
when helping others gain that knowledge
and better understanding is so important.

My goodness if that was proof positive to
what authors are "...all givens for any kind
of site" then there are a lot I see who just

may don't know because their focus is on
that
bestseller... not Web Design 101!

It's a great feeling when you've helped
others learn something
new that they can
implement on their own or
just walk away
feeling more empowered.
Don't you agree?

Continue to have an OUTSTANDING Friday!

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Actually I thought her site was better then yours.
Actually, I'd like to point out that he never said his site was better than anyone's.

In case you can't understand without an explanation, here it is.

Add in clashing colours and poor typography - basically all the mistakes people made when they first started using DTP - and you have a disastrous website.
What you normally do when dashes are employed is to consider the middle part as an extra thought. So what it reads straight off is

Add in clashing colours and poor typography and you have a disastrous website.
Get it?
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Get it?
Yup.

Thanks for the pointers.

That's why, as authors become more successful (or take their vocation more seriously) they employ people like me.
But this makes it sound like he claiming to be a professional wed designer. Which means he is supposed to make 'better stuff', right?
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They both are in the designing business. If he doesn't say it... it doesn't necessarily have to be inferred, because there's nothing inferring it.
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They both are in the designing business. If he doesn't say it... it doesn't necessarily have to be inferred, because there's nothing inferring it.
This is a really great chance to look at that, I mean this. This is a great learning chance.

Let have a look at what was being said, shall we?

Mike C by his post implied she is either, not a professional, or not good at it (maybe both), because he said:

That's why, as authors become more successful (or take their vocation more seriously) they employ people like me.

Notice that little bit that I made bold, “me” Take note to see that he did not say “they employ people like Us.

Now, this is very important, because it does infer an idea, allow me to show you.

By excluding the “Us” Mike C is saying she is not the type of person to call if you are successful of serious about your vocation, which leaves the door open to us to wager why that is.

We are left with many options to entertain, she could be subpar compared to people "like him", or she is just not a professional web designer "like him", and we might be able to think up other options on this, but the end result remains the same.

Now we see that Mike C does not directly say something like "Don't call her" or even says something bad about her, but gets his idea across to you in a very effective subliminal suggestive manner, that if you are (or want to be) successful, you don't call people like her you contact people like Him.

See how implied ideas work now?
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I'm sorry ungood, but I have to agree with SW's sentiment on this. I think that you are trying to find the devil in the comment, and it's just not there.

I don't know about Mike, but I do not like it when people attempt to put words in my mouth. So instead of pushing so hard to make it seem as though Mike was being mean, why don't you pm him and ask him about his intent of the comment?
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I'm sorry ungood, but I have to agree with SW's sentiment on this. I think that you are trying to find the devil in the comment, and it's just not there.I don't know about Mike, but I do not like it when people attempt to put words in my mouth. So instead of pushing so hard to make it seem as though Mike was being mean, why don't you pm him and ask him about his intent of the comment?
I am sure he can speak for himself.

Unless there is something that prevents him from coming to this topic.
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It's possible that MikeC hasn't been following this thread. I know I don't necessarily check up on responses to every post I make, though I try to.

Here's my take on the me/us thing. MikeC is a web designer. C.F. Jackson offers workshops to help people design their own websites. Mike says that once people are successful enough to afford it, they employ him. Jackson's addressing a different crowd: people who design their own websites for whatever reason. Knowing this, Mike may not have wanted to say "they employ people like us"; it would be inaccurate.

I may be wrong, since I don't know what Mike intended. But nor does anyone but him. Just remember that inferences are on your part. That you infer something doesn't mean he was implying it.
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This is a really great chance to look at that, I mean this. This is a great learning chance.

Let have a look at what was being said, shall we?

Mike C by his post implied she is either, not a professional, or not good at it (maybe both), because he said:

That's why, as authors become more successful (or take their vocation more seriously) they employ people like me.

Notice that little bit that I made bold, “me” Take note to see that he did not say “they employ people like Us.

Now, this is very important, because it does infer an idea, allow me to show you.

By excluding the “Us” Mike C is saying she is not the type of person to call if you are successful of serious about your vocation, which leaves the door open to us to wager why that is.

We are left with many options to entertain, she could be subpar compared to people "like him", or she is just not a professional web designer "like him", and we might be able to think up other options on this, but the end result remains the same.

Now we see that Mike C does not directly say something like "Don't call her" or even says something bad about her, but gets his idea across to you in a very effective subliminal suggestive manner, that if you are (or want to be) successful, you don't call people like her you contact people like Him.

See how implied ideas work now?
I think you're reading too much into this. Mike is a web designer -- has been for years. He knows the minutiae of web-design better than most. He's simply saying that authors shouldn't muck about with web-design themselves. Instead, they should hire people like him to build a website for them. When it comes to websites for authors, you don't want it to look amateurish. So you hire a professional, which Mike is.

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It's possible that MikeC hasn't been following this thread. I know I don't necessarily check up on responses to every post I make, though I try to.
You really should, I know I give almost all the topics I post in a cursory glance just to see if anyone responded to me.

Here's my take on the me/us thing. MikeC is a web designer. C.F. Jackson offers workshops to help people design their own websites. Mike says that once people are successful enough to afford it, they employ him. Jackson's addressing a different crowd: people who design their own websites for whatever reason. Knowing this, Mike may not have wanted to say "they employ people like us"; it would be inaccurate.

I may be wrong, since I don't know what Mike intended. But nor does anyone but him. Just remember that inferences are on your part. That you infer something doesn't mean he was implying it.
This is absolutely wonderful! I applauded you HoiLei

You countered my points and brought forth good insight by only using what you had to work with. You worked with ONLY what he said (Just as I did) and looked at it from a different angle! Well done! That was absolutely wonderful!

Some closing points:
First: You all missed a major point about this because you took an assumption that was proposed by SW as a fact without looking into it, and that was C.F. Jackson never said she was a web designer, she said she was a web marketing specialist.

Marketing and Design are not the same thing, they just normally work together.

Secondly to SW, It is not so much implied as is required that if you do something professionally like web design or marketing plans (or anything for that matter) that your work should be top line hence the idea of ‘professional quality’ or “professional grade”, hence why we call professionals to do specific jobs and tasks, because they are supposed to be better then what we can do on our own, that is what makes them professionals in the first place.

All in all, very insightful discussion and well done HoiLei, very good, I am still smiling from what you have said. Well done, but did you take the time to see how subtle hints and words can have major impacts and affects?

And with that, it seems we have gone far off topic that we are in a whole new land of make believe. Since I have pretty much said all I can say about this.

Some very good points about writing has been brought up and I hope that when you all start your very own web sites you give this some thought.

Your readers only have what you have written to work with.
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Try to be a little less childish, sweetie.

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Mike C by his post implied she is either, not a professional, or not good at it (maybe both), because he said:
Actually I implied nothing of the sort. The OP is talking about marketing sites, I gave my insight. I have no idea if the OP designs sites or not, but the tone of her posts suggests she's more interested in SEO for her sites than anything else.

Many writers contact me. I don't know if more, less, or none contact her for design, therefore I say me and not us.

My clients range from unpublished writers who want a more professional shop window to best-sellers, and client satisfaction is generally good, primarily because I don't bullshit and know what I'm talking about.
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