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He's part of a monoculture with Bozo and J. W. Gacy.

Now quit baiting me! You're going to get me censored. Or worse... censured.
Shush, or Ronald'll come and get you like the clown outta IT! With hamburglars!

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Hey kid... I got French fries down here.
As long as you can break dance in his party room, he'll let you go.
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As long as you can break dance in his party room, he'll let you go.


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("...yes folks the above rapport has a extract from american culture in our times..." went the goblin trying to relate, adding "...the footage is raw, and know too that the plot has not been changed to suit the audience here, just draw your own conclusions and then come away wondering what it meant perhaps...", while outside the cloudless sunday sky just greeted the casual onlooker with a smile of relaxation, meanwhile the goblin just went "...without america one would not appreciate one's peaceful existence without her, she america always seems to want something and is never satisfied with others...")

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Facts that support why the US is the greatest nation on earth;

1. China has the great wall but our Mex/Am wall will be the ninth wonder.

2. Italy has the Sistine Chapel but we have Trump Towers.

3. Greece has the Parthenon and the Acropolis but we have Wrigley Field and the new and improved Yankee stadium.

4. England has spotted dick but we have ointment.

5. Egypt has the pyramids but we have Disney World.

6. France has the Louvre but we have the Kardashians.

7. South America has the Amazon but our Amazons are a helluva lot hotter.

We gave the world the gift of flight and the atomic bomb. We gave them Playboy magazine and reality tv. We invented the internet and global warming. We won WWII and now we are in the process of starting WWIII.

The facts stand for themselves. The whole world envies us. How could you not envy a country that invented inflatable breast augmentations? Imagine that, adjustable titties.

There is no end to our ingenuity. As of this writing I have insider information that our medical community is working on a pill that removes the stink from farts. Me and my dog could use that. So could you.

We even invented a boner pill that could kill you if you're not careful.

Only in America!

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I thought the pyramids were in Disney World.
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I thought the pyramids were in Disney World.
They were on loan.
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The pyramids are in Las Vegas. So are the Eiffel Tower and the canals of Venice, by the way.

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We have the worlds largest ball of string and as soon as that volcano erupts in Yellowstone we will have the largest crater on the planet.

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Wish I knew when it was going to erupt so I could skip paying my quarterly taxes.
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@mohican i kinda feel bad for ya. Did you ever read Regeneration through Violence by Richard Slotkin? Its considered the seminal study on early American mythology. Theres two more volumes the Fatal Environment and The Gunfighter Nation which would also probably interest you. I have not alas read anything other than the first post but Ill try and get into it over the next week if I have time.
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@mohican i kinda feel bad for ya. Did you ever read Regeneration through Violence by Richard Slotkin? Its considered the seminal study on early American mythology. Theres two more volumes the Fatal Environment and The Gunfighter Nation which would also probably interest you. I have not alas read anything other than the first post but Ill try and get into it over the next week if I have time.

Amazon: In Regeneration Through Violence, the first of his trilogy on the mythology of the American West, Richard Slotkin shows how the attitudes and traditions that shape American culture evolved from the social and psychological anxieties of European settlers struggling in a strange new world to claim the land and displace the Native Americans. Using the popular literature of the seventeenth, eighteenth, and early nineteenth centuries-including captivity narratives, the Daniel Boone tales, and the writings of Hawthorne, Thoreau, and Melville-Slotkin traces the full development of this myth.

I'll venture a guess that Slotkin is not a Scots-Irish, Other UK, or Hugonaught name

From the Amazon Reviews
"This confounding of the figures of the hunter-wastrel and the farmer-cultivator has had disastrous social consequences. It enables us to exploit and lay waste the land as a means of transforming and improving it and converting it into the ideal world of our dreams. It enables us to express our love of the land and its potential by destroying it."

In his final paragraph, he refers to "the warfare between man and nature, between race and race, exalted as a kind of heroic ideal; the piles of wrecked and rusted cars, heaped like Tartar pyramids of death-cracked, weather-browned, rain-rotted skulls, to signify our passage through the land.".
In some ways I could probably find more to agree with in his next book, Fatal Environment , but by reading excerpts and reviews he is pc breathless Nancy.

In The Fatal Environment, Richard Slotkin demonstrates how the myth of frontier expansion and subjugation of the Indians helped to justify the course of America’s rise to wealth and power. Using Custer’s Last Stand as a metaphor for what Americans feared might happen if the frontier should be closed and the "savage" element be permitted to dominate the "civilized," Slotkin shows the emergence by 1890 of a myth redefined to help Americans respond to the confusion and strife of industrialization and imperial expansion.
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In returning to a cultural discussion - I will note that rewinding Western Culture to the times before the "Sexual Revolution" would be a good thing.

Yes, in the West the culture has always had a bit of debauchery, but when it permeates the fabric of the society as a whole it leads to what we are seeing now

Megan Garber, in an article in The Atlantic leads down the path that young ladies (and women in general) have been taught that not making a scene is more important than a public display of Virtue. (I don't know if Megan uses the term virtue - I just skimmed)

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...rdness/548291/

Young women say yes to sex they don’t actually want to have all of the time. Why? Because we condition young women to feel guilty if they change their mind.”That was the writer Ella Dawson, in her essay reacting to “Cat Person,”


Harvey Weinstein, on the tape recorded by the model Ambra Battilana Gutierrez as part of a New York Police Department sting operation, told her, “Don’t embarrass me in the hotel.” And: “Honey, don’t have a fight with me in the hallway.” And: “Please, you’re making a big scene here. Please.” So many of the other men accused of predation, it has now become painfully clear, have in their own ways used those soft but crushing social pressures as weapons, both in moments of abuse and beyond: Don’t be dramatic. Don’t make a scene. Please.
Note: That's not what we taught our daughter. If she encounters a Weinstein type, she is to yell, kick, claw, scratch.
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In returning to a cultural discussion - I will note that rewinding Western Culture to the times before the "Sexual Revolution" would be a good thing.

Yes, in the West the culture has always had a bit of debauchery, but when it permeates the fabric of the society as a whole it leads to what we are seeing now

Megan Garber, in an article in The Atlantic leads down the path that young ladies (and women in general) have been taught that not making a scene is more important than a public display of Virtue. (I don't know if Megan uses the term virtue - I just skimmed)

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...rdness/548291/







Note: That's not what we taught our daughter. If she encounters a Weinstein type, she is to yell, kick, claw, scratch.


How would you “rewind” to the time before the sexual revolution? I mean: how would you actually do it?




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If this is about Weinstein's kind of behavior -- there were certainly cases of sexual coercion and harassment prior to the sexual revolution.

What first brought it to light was women entering the labor force in the late 1800's -- not that they could do much about it. And of course, the whole casting couch thing predates the sexual revolution as well.

That means it's about opportunity -- or at the very least, that's a big factor that can't be ignored. It isn't all about more recent attitudes about sex.

The only new thing is that women now feel like they can come forward -- that's what got the ball rolling. That doesn't mean the behavior wasn't there in good old days.

So not only do we have to rewind to before the sexual revolution -- we're going to have keep the women at home -- and to do that, we'll probably have to stop educating them too. (Or is that part of how we rewind?)

Oh, and we might as well uninvent the pill while we're at it -- one of the biggest factors in the sexual revolution. It might just be that women were more concerned about getting pregnant than adhering to any imposed moral or societal standards...

P.S. -- the other thing -- it stands to reason that the whole idea of "not making a scene" is a holdover from the days prior to the so called sexual revolution -- an example of the American culture's schizophrenic view of sex that tries to mix ideas of virtue and family values etc. (and keeping things under wraps) with more relaxed attitudes about sex or "debauchery."

So, rather than any fantasies about turning back the clock -- the answer would be more openness about the practical downsides of promiscuity in general (without the moralizing and religiosity) -- and making predators more aware of the consequences of their actions, plus creating an environment where potential victims feel they can fight back and/or come forward.

And ideally, if people are more educated and open about sex and develop more healthy attitudes about it -- that will be reflected in the popular culture. (Because history shows popular culture and entertainment etc. are more of a reflection of attitudes than an influence -- although it's circular to some degree.)

You can't put the genie back in the bottle -- so the solutions will have to be about education and intelligent problem solving rather than wishful thinking.

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Well if we are really going to rewind I think we need to go back all the way to the good old days of Caligula and the origin of free love at its best.

The two greatest inventions of mankind are penicillin and the cock ring. You could toss in Viagra but a perpetual woodie is a bitch to deal with.
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Well if we are really going to rewind I think we need to go back all the way to the good old days of Caligula and the origin of free love at its best.

The two greatest inventions of mankind are penicillin and the cock ring. You could toss in Viagra but a perpetual woodie is a bitch to deal with.


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Ill take a crack at question seven on the front page and argue that US culture cannot be monocultural and in fact possesses what I would call the meta or tiered culture.

Like all empires we have regional cultures but these were assumed underneath the meta values that ran through not just the civilization but those nations and civlizations anterior to it, to which it owed its philosophical and ideological existence. You can see this expressed in the architecture of the capital where state buildings featured Roman and Attic characteristics or in the Bill of Rights' homage to the Magna Carta.

This meta culture overrode institutions that ran afoul of it but otherwise did not interfere. In other words it didnt have anything to say about people who attend tailgate parties or how someone marries or divorces. This culture was always at a remove from private life but which nevertheless demanded acknowledgement and expression in legal decisions. In fact I would even go so far as to say it is the philosophical culture that the average citizen is not privy too.

In this age the South and South West have decided that their regional cultures hold primacy and in so doing have rejected the meta values that alone unites regional cultures by virtue of its suzerainty. And that seems to me to be their great conceit and oversight, that the usurper's own culture is sufficient to the civilization. But this of course cannot be and can only result in the balkanization of cultures which would have the immediate effect of diminishing the power of the dominant regional culture, because it would then be brought into conflict with all other competing powers. Make no mistake the recent backlash against immigration is inspired in no small part by the reality of shared political power.
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Ive watched this feller for almost a full year now and youve known him longer than me. What more do you have to see? How a man acts in anonymity is a good indication of the self he keeps hidden from proper society.

Something happened to him thats apparent enough. The man's a troll, does not excel at the role but a troll nonetheless and what troll have you ever known who didnt feel, rightly or wrongly, aggrieved by offense and sough to vent his resentment on supposed adversaries? Perhaps he lost his father to cancer, perhaps he was fired from a job or not to a job hired, perhaps he has a felony charge or simply feels deserving more from life than what he has thus far received, whatever the case it doesnt seem he sees any way out of his predicament and so rather than keep searching he surrendered to despair and resolved to drag everyone else down to his level.

And Mohican please by all means read that as though its addressed to you because it is. Im not like you. I say what I mean.
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I know hes getting something out of this. Every fool with a messianic complex is at heart a masochist, its when the masochist engages in sadism, trying to inflame as many as he can so that he can enjoy both his own persecution and the denigration that those who persecute commit against themselves, thats what bothers me.

Its no different then when the postmodernists claim theyre oppressed, on the right the word is persecuted. The two arent terribly dissimilar.
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("...can't see what any of this has to do with american culture though..." started the goblin wondering what if any of the things american as in american culture today would last into the future and still be seen as american by it, adding "...trouble is that the norm often loses its identity over time, for example the common table folk comes from the moors, the wristwatch is swiss, the potato is south american, croissants are austrian, and so on and so forth, all building to the idea that familiarity breeds anonymity, novelty breeds identity...", in fact, the only reason why the goblin had written this was his need to escape in the knowledge that outside the relentless rain would have been better as snow and that work loomed still, sighing "...he who sleeps in a field wakes up in a field, as that chinese saying goes, but I argue that the dream is still worth it if the limitations of one's reality are all so evident..." while outside his post the goblin's reality was once more ignored with full intent till at last it could be ignored no longer)

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("...can't see what any of this has to do with american culture though..." started the goblin wondering what if any of the things american as in american culture today would last into the future and still be seen as american by it, adding "...trouble is that the norm often loses its identity over time, for example the common table folk comes from the moors, the wristwatch is swiss, the potato is south american, croissants are austrian, and so on and so forth, all building to the idea that familiarity breeds anonymity, novelty breeds identity...", in fact, the only reason why the goblin had written this was his need to escape in the knowledge that outside the relentless rain would have been better as snow and that work loomed still, sighing "...he who sleeps in a field wakes up in a field, as that chinese saying goes, but I argue that the dream is still worth it if the limitations of one's reality are all so evident..." while outside his post the goblin's reality was once more ignored with full intent till at last it could be ignored no longer)


None of it has to do with American culture or western civilization , including the OP.

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